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	<title>Comments on: Oxford union debate</title>
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	<description>A somewhat nonrandom collection of Harry's thoughts</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: My Domain</title>
		<link>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-11056</link>
		<author>My Domain</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Joe...&lt;/strong&gt;

Check out my domain sometime....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Joe&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Check out my domain sometime&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10721</link>
		<author>James</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10721</guid>
		<description>You can't fight fascism with fascism, as much as I might find such speeches abhorrent I respect the right of others to say what they will. More often than not banning these people from speaking or actively trying to limit their platform only gives fuel to their suggestions that there is some kind of conspiracy preventing their views from being heard.

It is far better to give them a platform and challenge them in public on their views. That is only fair and right in a democracy. It’s a slightly different issue when you get into publishing in certain journals. For instance I don’t think Irvine should be published in History journals because what he does is not up to a sufficient academic standard to be touted as even a potential theorem in a peer reviewed journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t fight fascism with fascism, as much as I might find such speeches abhorrent I respect the right of others to say what they will. More often than not banning these people from speaking or actively trying to limit their platform only gives fuel to their suggestions that there is some kind of conspiracy preventing their views from being heard.</p>
<p>It is far better to give them a platform and challenge them in public on their views. That is only fair and right in a democracy. It’s a slightly different issue when you get into publishing in certain journals. For instance I don’t think Irvine should be published in History journals because what he does is not up to a sufficient academic standard to be touted as even a potential theorem in a peer reviewed journal.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10720</link>
		<author>Harry</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10720</guid>
		<description>Yes. Those who do not wish to hear them can vote with their feet: most certainly, no one is obligated to listen.

I'm not suggesting that you're advocating a ban, persay, I'm saying that if, by custom, we  never provided platforms to people with unpalatable views, it would amount to the same thing. You do seem to be saying that, out of a sense of propriety, no one should offer to engage these people in debate at all.

If Griffin et al sought to hire a village hall in order to host their own debate, would you propose that the hall's administrators turn them down? If you were the landlord at a pub in which they were having a rowdy conversation, would you kick them out? If you were a police officer at speakers' corner, would you arrest them for causing "alarm, harassment and distress"? 

Where do you draw the line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Those who do not wish to hear them can vote with their feet: most certainly, no one is obligated to listen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that you&#8217;re advocating a ban, persay, I&#8217;m saying that if, by custom, we  never provided platforms to people with unpalatable views, it would amount to the same thing. You do seem to be saying that, out of a sense of propriety, no one should offer to engage these people in debate at all.</p>
<p>If Griffin et al sought to hire a village hall in order to host their own debate, would you propose that the hall&#8217;s administrators turn them down? If you were the landlord at a pub in which they were having a rowdy conversation, would you kick them out? If you were a police officer at speakers&#8217; corner, would you arrest them for causing &#8220;alarm, harassment and distress&#8221;? </p>
<p>Where do you draw the line?</p>
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		<title>By: VM</title>
		<link>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10719</link>
		<author>VM</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.slaptop.com/blog/?p=157#comment-10719</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Certainly&lt;/i&gt; I agree that &lt;i&gt;banning&lt;/i&gt; the guesome twosome would be wrong. But they are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;banned - anywhere. That is not the issue. The issue is not &lt;i&gt;whether&lt;/i&gt; they can speak, but &lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt;.

300 people heard &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; of them. Millions and &lt;i&gt;millions&lt;/i&gt; of people know they were &lt;i&gt;invited&lt;/i&gt; to speak by the Oxford Union. The risk/benefit analysis produces only &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; result. 

Also entirely &lt;i&gt;missing&lt;/i&gt; from this analysis is any attempt to &lt;i&gt;empathise&lt;/i&gt; with those who feel threatened and upset. Is &lt;i&gt;providing&lt;/i&gt; a platform (which is what has actually &lt;i&gt;happened&lt;/i&gt;) really more important than thinking about those who do not want these morons &lt;i&gt;banned&lt;/i&gt; but do not want to &lt;i&gt;hear&lt;/i&gt; them either?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Certainly</i> I agree that <i>banning</i> the guesome twosome would be wrong. But they are <i>not</i>banned - anywhere. That is not the issue. The issue is not <i>whether</i> they can speak, but <i>where</i>.</p>
<p>300 people heard <i>one</i> of them. Millions and <i>millions</i> of people know they were <i>invited</i> to speak by the Oxford Union. The risk/benefit analysis produces only <i>one</i> result. </p>
<p>Also entirely <i>missing</i> from this analysis is any attempt to <i>empathise</i> with those who feel threatened and upset. Is <i>providing</i> a platform (which is what has actually <i>happened</i>) really more important than thinking about those who do not want these morons <i>banned</i> but do not want to <i>hear</i> them either?</p>
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